Modern life is highly dependent on the automobile. Most of us drive everywhere we go, largely because our communities are spread out and things aren’t really in walking distance. If we look at the average American city and compare it to European cities, we find that houses are on larger lots, stores are further away, and the overall community covers more land.
That’s in part because we have so much land available to us and in part because the Automobile has been such a large part of American history.
Cars themselves have changed considerably through the years. Henry Ford would have trouble recognizing modern cars, other than by the fact that they have four wheels, an engine, and someplace for the passengers to ride. Back in the Model-T days, cars were mechanical contraptions. Today, even the gas burners are totally dependent on their electronic controls to run.
I just bought a new car, and the amount of electronics in it are incredible. Driving it is a collaborative effort between the driver and the car’s computer. If the computer doesn’t think you’re doing the right thing, it will fight you on it; and between the “driver’s assist,” “lane assist,” and “cruise control,” it seemed like the car was doing more of the driving than I was.
What will happen to these cars in the wake of a TEOTWAWKI event? I know that most preppers believe that all cars will instantly stop running in the event of an EMP; but that’s not the only disaster that might strike. It’s not even the only thing that might take down the electrical grid. We could lose the grid to a massive act of terrorism or cyberwarfare, just as easily as we could lose it to an EMP. That wouldn’t make cars inoperable; although it would probably make it difficult to fuel them up.
Allow me to go off on a tangent here, for a moment. I have to say that I don’t agree with most preppers in that cars and airplanes will stop operating in the event of an EMP. The EMP commission tested what an EMP would do to cars. While they limited the exposure, trying to avoid totally destroying the cars they tested, the levels they used were consistent with what we could expect in the event of a HEMP attack by an enemy nation-state. Of the fifty-some cars in the test, only three stalled, and they all restarted.
Most cars and airplanes are almost perfect Faraday Cages, protecting the electronics inside from EMP. While there are exceptions, like the fiberglass body of the Corvette, most cars have a metal body. Unless the EMP comes through the windshield, it can’t get to the electronics; and coming through the windshield is a rather iffy thing, as radio waves (EMP follows the physical laws of radio waves) see an opening like that, surrounded with metal, as a solid piece of metal.
We Will Need Transportation in a Post-Disaster World
The seemingly insurmountable problem we could face, is that in the case of a TEOTWAWKI event, none of our cars, trucks, SUVs or other off-road vehicles would be usable. Yet, at the same time, we will be in desperate need of transportation. Activities like hunting, fishing, and cutting firewood will require us going to remote areas, as well as bringing a load back with us. That means some sort of a vehicle, even if it is just a two-wheeled cart.
Many have said that if we are hit by an EMP, it will be like we’re living back in the 1800s. While there is some truth to that statement, there’s a lot of fallacy to it as well. For one thing, most of us don’t know how to live like they did in the 1800s and don’t have the necessary tools to do so. But probably the biggest way that would manifest the lack of horses and horse-drawn transportation. While I’m sure that the creative amongst us could come up with some sort of carts or wagons for horses to pull, we can’t exactly make horses out what we find in the junkyard.
There are roughly 7.2 million horses in the United States today, compared to over 24 million in 1910. During the same period of time, the human population has grown from 92 million to over 335 million. That’s a reduction of one horse per every 3.8 people to one horse for every 46.5 people. You can be sure that horses will be one of the many things people will be fighting over.
Is there a viable substitute for horses? Back in the pioneering days of the westward expansion, oxen were mostly used to pull wagons, instead of horses. While oxen might be slower, they were cheaper to buy, more durable, better able to forage for food and had greater endurance than horses. On top of that, once the settlers established their homesteads, the oxen could be used to pull plows or slaughtered for food. Should the homesteader choose to sell their oxen, they could often get more for the oxen than they could for horses, especially as the horses got older.
Oxen aren’t very common today, with only a few thousand here in the United States. However, there are some 87.2 million cattle, many of which are steers (castrated males). While there is a difference between a normal steer and an ox, the main difference is training. Any steer can be trained to do work as an ox. That may be what we’re forced to do, assuming we can get those steers from the ranchers who own them, without getting shot.
Will Older Cars Suffice?
Regardless of whether we are ever hit by an EMP, cars as complex as those we have today are not a good answer in a post-disaster world. As our automobiles have become more complicated and the computers in them have taken over more and more functions, it has become harder and harder for people to work on their own cars. The computers required to diagnose cars properly are expensive enough to be out of the typical DIYer’s budget.
Oh for the days when we could open the hood of a car and know what everything in the engine compartment was and what it did. The first several cars I owned were like that. Not only that, but there was enough extra room in that engine compartment for you to crawl in there, sit on the wheel well and work on the engine.
Some have suggested that the solution to an EMP destroying our cars is to buy cars that were built without computers; in other words, buy pre-1970s cars. Would that work? I don’t see why not, with a few important caveats. More importantly, I think that those older cars would be just the thing to have in the wake of any TEOTWAWKI event, where we will need simple transportation, rather than a car that tries to take the steering wheel away from you.
What Caveats?
Of course, buying an older luxury car might just negate the benefit of buying an old car, at least in part. While those older cars didn’t have computers, things like electric door locks and power windows can be maintenance problems too. Better to have manual controls, than have a window that’s stuck and can’t be operated.
Selecting the right car or truck to provide post-disaster transportation is only the start of the process. Whatever vehicle you might manage to find is probably going to need some repairs and restoration. If you’re a gear-head or otherwise enjoy playing mechanic, that could be great. Otherwise, it could be expensive. But you’re going to have to think beyond that as well. You’re going to have to think about using and maintaining that car, when you can’t get the parts you’re going to need.
That means building a stockpile of maintenance parts; including such things as belts, hoses, alternators, starters, lights, filters, and batteries. You’ll also need the appropriate vehicle chemicals; such as oil, anti-freeze, brake fluid and power steering fluid.
But the biggest caveat, or biggest problem any of us will encounter, in such a time, is gasoline. Unfortunately, gasoline doesn’t store well for prolonged periods of time, as the most volatile hydrocarbons (those which are the most likely to evaporate) are also the most necessary, because they release the most energy when they burn. As a general rule of thumb, gasoline shouldn’t be stored for more than six months before use.
There are a couple of things we can do about that. First of all, we can buy fuel stabilizer, which will double the practical storage time of gasoline; taking it from six months to a year. On top of that, we can extend the life-expectancy of that gasoline considerably (like as much as five times) by storing it in metal cans, rather than plastic ones. I have a 55-gallon drum that I store gasoline in and I’m thinking of buying another one.
Of course, being simpler, those older cars will probably burn less than optimum quality gasoline better than newer cars will. A carburetor can still get plugged up, but not as easily as fuel injectors can; even though the jets can still get plugged.
Don’t Stop There
Taking this whole idea a step further, we need to consider where we will be able to get more gasoline, once our personal stocks dwindle… actually, before they dwindle. There are a lot of places where gasoline can be found, such as the underground tanks at gas stations, fuel delivery trucks (semis) and the tanks at refineries; even the tanks of abandoned cars. The problem is going to be figuring out how to pump that gasoline out, so that you can use it. That’s going to require some planning and preparation. But considering that there won’t be many people preparing for that, even amongst the ranks of the preppers, you shouldn’t have much competition for those sources of fuel.
BigJymn | September 10, 2024
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Electronics must be energized at the time of an EMP to be affected. Batteries are a more serious matter. They will instantly “short” and explode. I have built a faraday box around my battery; and and added a cutoff switch. Am I protected? I guess I’ll find out.
John | September 11, 2024
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I’m sorry, but the mp’s that I tested were not connected to any power or signal source. If electronics must be energized to be affected, why would batteries be affected? Batteries not connected I don’t see how they would be affected unless they are the new type that can be recharged by USB. If batteries will “short and explode” why didn’t the batteries in the cars explode when hit by lightening? Where did you get this info? I have looked on line, and talked to Interstate and they have said the battery would be ok in a EMP. I asked for the test data over 2 years ago but have not received anything. Please direct me to the source of your data. John
John | September 11, 2024
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I am a big fan of faraday protection. I do think that is the only sure way to protect solid state and digital electronics.
Tom MacGyver | September 11, 2024
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Electronics DO NOT need to be energized to be affected by an EMP! An EMP will INDUCE VOLTAGE onto circuits within the electronics even if they’re shut off. All there needs to be is a difference of potential between points A and B in a circuit for current to flow , and the voltages induced on the circuit by an EMP would be MORE than enough to destroy components in the circuit. Lightning is a perfect example of current flowing through a switch in the “off” position (air) because there is enough of a difference of potential between the clouds and the ground for it to happen.
If your faraday box has wires going through it, you’ve defeated the box’s shielding capability…
Tom MacGyver | September 10, 2024
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I read a lot about how an EMP will take out a modern car. I’m sure some of them will indeed die, but many won’t. Face it; if lightning strikes within a few feet of your car, it’s suffered an EMP. This actually happened to me several times while I was stationed in Miami, and guess what; NOTHING HAPPENED. I could hear the lightning charge building on the radio. Then the strike happened. Then I went about my day. Modern cars are built to handle that. On the other hand, an old car, one with points, rotor, cap, mechanical fuel pump, etc, is often its worst enemy! Anyone who grew up driving one of these remembers just how maintenance=intensive they were! Something was ALWAYS breaking on them and they needed CONSTANT upkeep! Fact is, if fuel becomes unavailable it’s just a matter of time before you’re walking. Preppers need to think past the car. A good, solid mountain bike with a trailer and thorn-resistant inner tubes might be a good stopgap solution for transportation. The heavy lifting and hauling is going to be an issue though… Having something that runs on DIESEL will help. Diesel has a LONG shelf life. It has a higher flashpoint than gasoline, so storing it is safer. A diesel vehicle will also go further on a gallon of fuel than a gas-powered one. They also tend to run forever! ‘Something to think about, anyway…
Travelin On | September 10, 2024
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“Any steer can be trained to do work as an ox. That may be what we’re forced to do, assuming we can get those steers from the ranchers who own them, without getting shot.” “The problem is going to be figuring out how to pump that gasoline out, so that you can use it. That’s going to require some planning and preparation. But considering that there won’t be many people preparing for that, even amongst the ranks of the preppers, you shouldn’t have much competition for those sources of fuel.”
Bill, I take it from the way you are writing that you do believe in theft/robbery/looting and murder if necessary, if something is available that someone else has and owns, if you can get it without getting shot. You’re advocating it’s fine to be a thief/robber/looter or murderer, whatever it takes to get what you want that you don’t have and don’t deserve. That kind of mentality is for the stealing/looting/robbing birds, not humans. Please stay in Texas, the rest of the country doesn’t need more criminal minds like you’ve expressed you have in our part of the country. Chances are we’ve got too many with your kind of thinking where we live anyway. Still, the advocacy that thieving, looting, robbing and/or murder is acceptable regardless of who owns whatever it is your greedy, selfish, unprepared self has not bothered to acquire, is so wrong, wrong, WRONG, it is criminal. No one is worth saving if they can’t rise above the level of that kind of thinking. Criminal thinking leads to criminal deeds and you’ve just owned up to criminal thinking, right along with some of the other “Prepper” type instructors out there. I’d never want to pay much attention to any of the kind of instruction criminal minds would teach. Thanks for giving us warning that you will be an enemy that others need to prepare against, if/when some event does occur that triggers your current mindset into action. Forewarned is forearmed for the rest of us. The kind of thinking you’ve expressed is wholly undisciplined thinking, stemming from greed, selfishness, a belief that somehow you’re better than someone who is more prepared than you are; it is the mentality of criminals, not problem solvers. Thinking like what you expressed is wrong, PERIOD. A problem solver’s solution would be to try to buy a pair of oxen, or one ox, from a farmer/rancher, and be willing to accept the answer NO. NO is an acceptable answer. If “no” is the answer you’ll need to find some other means to achieve your goal than stealing/robbing/looting or killing. There are other options, whether you like to think so or not. If someone has a pump that would empty an underground tank, the problem solver would go to the owner, and make a deal with them to share the profits if they use your pump and the two of you get their fuel out of their tank with your pump and sell it to others. The idea of stealing/robbing/looting the fuel is criminal. Preppers sure aren’t just or right in their thinking processes, decision making, or anything else are they? Very sadly they’ve sacrificed morality, integrity, honesty and problem solving for an “entitled” viewpoint. A criminal mindset now has the name of being a Prepper. Thanks again for the warning of what you are and how low you have allowed yourself to sink to. The same thanks goes to the other authors who have written the same kind of criminal minded thinking. The only difference between criminal minded thinking and a full blown criminal is the criminal thinking hasn’t been put into action yet, but thanks to Survivopedia, we have several now who have owned up to having criminal minded thinking.
As to an EMP, I would agree, most vehicles and aircraft will not be affected, or affected permanently. As someone already mentioned a lightning strike is an EMP event and while it has and may stop a vehicle in its tracks, it will also start up again and the folks can continue their journey. Planes have little rods on the trailing edges of wings and tail to dissipate the electrical effects of a lightning strike or electrical effects caused by motion through air and while there may have been some aircraft that have stalled or even crashed because of a lightning strike, I’ve not heard of it, and I worked in the field of aviation for 30+ years. How an EMP would affect a ship at sea I do not know. I’ve heard stories, but none have been verified, so that is still an unknown for me.
John | September 11, 2024
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Another post about vehicles, EMP and TEOTWAWKI. And another post that gives little solid info. Another post that completely disregards the most stable fuel on the earth, propane. Propane has a shelf life that has not been determined. There has been propane that is over 50+ years old that is as good as the day it was put into a tank. I myself have used propane that was 20+ years old that was as good or even better than fresh propane. There is no other fuel that can last that long except maybe LNG. I don’t know how long LNG will last but I would guess, like Propane, it will last a long time. Both of my Bug out vehicles can be run on propane. I can switch between gas and propane. I have 25 gallon DOT approved tanks on both vehicles. I can get to my BOL on 1 tank of gas or 1 tank of propane. Combined I can go about 750 to 800 miles before I would have to refuel.
I agree mostly with what Travelin On says, You are the type of person that will not be welcome anywhere near me I don’t care if you are the best “survivalist” in the world. I find it hard to understand how a ex Army officer could even think, let alone suggest doing the things you advocate in your post. At least you don’t claim to be a Prepper. You sir are not a prepper. I can only guess that you are a survivalist who hopes that TEOTWAWKI happens. A prepper hopes nothing bad will happen and all of our preps will remain unused. Prep for the worst, pray for the best. I wonder if your “mission” on the Mexico border involved helping illegals cross into our great country? It seems that you have the mind set of MS-13 and otthers like them. As for EMP. No one knows what will happen to vehicles after a EMP event. I do know that microprocessors that I have tested (I am a electrical engineer) on the bench subjected to EMP’s at very low levels will cause damage to the device. I have run the tests. How the microprocessors will hold up installed in a vehicle, I do not know. As far as the metal bodies on vehicle I would think the metal body would act like an antenna and collect the EMP. Again I don’t know, but that is my best guess (I swaged it, scientific wild ass guess). I do know that the auto manufactures don’t know either, I have asked a lot of auto engineers and the answers range from : Nothing to worry about to it will totally disable the vehicle. So, if the people that design the auto’s don’t know, how does anyone else know? We won’t know until a 10 megaton weapon is set off 1500 feet above a auto parked 15 to 30 miles away. I don’t have a 10 megaton nuke to test to see what would happen. I think it would be interesting, but I hope we never find out.
John | September 11, 2024
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Also I am unaware of the EMP comm. tests that you cite. I will do some research and try to find the info. If this is the same report that stated there would be little damage done to computers, that report was proved wrong. If they used low level EMP’s to prevent destroying the auto’s, what will happen if a 20 or 30 megaton was set off? What if there was a lot of nukes set off in a small area? Say 3 10 megaton weapons set off 3 to 5 min apart in a 50 square mile area? I’m thinking major cities, military bases, oil fields and power stations. How many EMP’s did they use and how close were the EMP’s to the cars? I will try to find out but I.m sure the info has some kind of classification.My tests with the microprocessors was very low level EMP’s and the emitter was 6 to 15 inches away. I don’t remember the level but I was told that the level we were using a person could be exposed to it for 6 months and not have any ill effects. I am also a retired Army officer. Combat vet, platoon leader, Co of a infantry unit, Battalion Co and later an intel officer. I think a EOTWAWKI there will be a huge rush to the suppliers of fuel from everyone. People will have to fight for fuel and I’m sure a lot of people that think like you will take over these places and will kill everyone that comes looking for fuel. IMO.